Last 24 hours have been good, started drawings using the tops to make the marks. I have done seven and they are all different, using mainly two tops I made. One is ash, about five inches in diamiter and at least two inches thick, so quiet a chunk, and then a much lighter one from MDF, I use that on with felt tips and the pencils with the ash. The most wonderful thing about the marks is there is no sense of it being contrived, it's pure free flowing and the spirals tend to mesmerise. They have order and chaos at the same time